Too good to miss

Two ongoing rows that are simply too good to miss;
1/ Dave Osler started a very serious and thoughtful debate on the future of Trotskyism, here, ands why he no longer considers himself a trot.

It gives rise to a very interesting debate in the "comments" boxes; especially when SWP-apologist "Snowball" attacks me for...my misspelling of the name "Shachtman"! He can't come up with any political defence of Cliffism beyond that...

2/The fanatical "anti-Zionist" Mark Elf has had enough of the blatant anti-semitism of Gilad Atzmon, and denounces him... John Game (late of this parish) attempts to defend Atzmon...utilising the usual post-modernist Foulcaultite bollocks about "identity". To his credit, Elf, for once, denounces anti-semitism.